Precisely Ron ... telos lies in mthological tradition - the quest for knowledge is not independent of this, it's not incidental / accidental.
Unfortunately threads are being conflated and balooning into talking about everything at once again - oh well. Ian On 7/16/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris: > > Mati, Ian, Bodvar, Everyone > > I think of the intellectual level as driven, at it's very core, by the > quest > for understanding/knowledge. This Quest for understanding and knowledge > is > at it's core not in service of anything else, because when you put them > alongside one another; the social levels core is that of maintaining a > social structure in the face of the continuing ongoing change that > occurs in > every aspect of live and existence, and to do this it uses whatever > means it > has to it's disposal - in humanities case even the intellectual level, > but > in general the biological means it has subjugated. The intellectual > level's > activity is continuously that of answering questions like "why" and > "how" > and the like, Questions that at their core isn't asked in service of the > > social level. > > Ron: > Hello Chris, > I think the Quest for knowledge does define an aspect of intellect > but I also think it can be defined as that drives ability to shape it's > society. The allegory of the heroes adventure into the unknown bringing > back > a boon to society is the classic intellectual mythos. This theme > echoes throughout the MoQ. even in Pirsigs very own life, pointing > to our very own experience. > > This mythos seems to be a universal theme in most human societies. > > David Buchanan's Liverpool paper touches nicely upon this subject. > and if there is any universal definition of the intellectual, this is > it. > > otherwise it's a story about those who wander off and never return.... > madness.....Pirsig put it once, this way lies madness. > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
