OK Chris ... I'd like to do that ... discuss the substantive stuff you wrote ... so ...
My summary, yesterday, was the story so far as I had read it so far - where we (the wider group) had agreement / differences - again not asserting my position (except where I said I was, in asides). I asked what you had said that I had missed ? I asked you to relate your "knowledge for knowledge sake" point to that ? I'm wasn't asking you to repeat - just summarise / point to the specifics - guide me to your point(s). I'm guessing that quoted text block in the attached mail is it ? Right ? OK I'll be back. Regards Ian On 7/15/08, Christoffer Ivarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > - First I put it to you that the nature of the intellectual level is > > that of > > > > the "Quest for knowledge for knowledge's sake alone" > > > > > > > > - Then I say that Social Level Values should be subordinated to > > Intellectual > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > - But if Intellectual Values is the movements towards better > > understanding, > > > > then I have to draw the conclusion that social structures should be > > modelled > > > > into serving that as much as possible. > > > > > > > > - Looking at this I notice that "freedom" and concepts like that more > > and > > > > more looks like social value patterns - they seem to be instruments > > which > > > > the intellectual level have planted in the social level to help > itself. > > > > > > > > - Then It comes to me, quite naturally, that if social structures are > > to be > > > > remodelled to serve the intellectual level better (and thus evolution) > > well > > > > then the social value pattern that is the _concept of "freedom"_ may > > have to > > > > be looked over as well. > > > > > > > > The problem occurs when I propose that the freedom that is free market > > > > enterprises may have to be restricted in order to serve the > > intellectual > > > > level (as they are clearly social level patterns) I seem to magically > > turn > > > > into Stalin in peoples heads, and the ideological stand-off begins. > > > > > > > Let's skip the stand-of and discuss the things I wrote then? > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
