----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet




It is understandable that confusion is caused by the fact that - to
paraphrase - we need definitions in order to discuss the real world,
even if in the real world those definitions are insignificant (or much
less significant, anyway).



Hi Ian,

Who here, besides Paul (missing) Turner, has taken the trouble to investigate the Eastern side of "things"? Nagarjuna to be specific. The need for the list's type of definitional precision is a symptom of the s/o pov. Maybe before definition it might be prudent to have a thorough understanding of what it is you are trying to define: patterns. While static they may appear, they are still interrelated and ever-changing. They are in no way things-in-themselves, or independent entities. Patterns existence is dependent on the value of its functionality. If a pattern's functionality (this is related to experience) loses value, poof it's gone. The Social Level is a pattern of patterns, all interrelated and ever-changing. The Intellectual Level is a pattern of patterns. The "real world" is a pattern.

So, what am I trying to say? I think breaking the subject/object culturally inherited glasses is far more important than naming. Read Nagarjuna! Or, stop counting fingers and get to the Moon.

Marsha




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