Sir, I don't know what you are implying!? -Peter
2008/7/30 Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hold on Pete, Bo will be with you shortly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter > Corteen > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Tit's > > Hi david, > > As I see it SOM is hard wired in us: we are genetically predisposed to > it. > You said that SOM is 'an interpretation of the qualities felt in > experience', but it's stronger than that: your use of the word > 'interpretation' implies that we make a conscious choice to see things > in > that way but my point is that there is no choice. Therefore, there is no > 'stepping back' to see subjects and objects in a different light. > Most philosophers are too stuck in the head and most mystics are only > peddling SOM kind of life after death line for their own personal > glorification; but I do agree that 'experience comes first' and that > experience, rather than identification with the constant stream of > mental > associations and social considerings, is facilitated by relaxation and > an > awareness of the whole body rather than having the locus of attention > only > in the head. > > -Peter > > 2008/7/30 david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Peter said to dmb: > > ...the 'experience of not being able to walk through is more real than > the > > "wall"'. SOM is an indispensable convention that we are hard wired > with. You > > can't have mind without matter and vice-versa; I acknowledge spirit > only in > > terms of intentionality. What will be the characteristics of those > beings > > who are not limited by SOM? > > > > dmb says: > > SOM is hard wired? I'd say that "mind" and "matter" are just like the > > "wall". They're an interpretation of the qualities felt in experience. > The > > same idea applies to mind, matter, walls or anything else one could > name. > > Like I said, rejecting SOM in no way denies the experience from which > these > > ideas are derived, it is simply a matter of stepping back to see that > > subjects and objects are conventional interpretations of experience > rather > > than the cause of experience. The MOQ says that experience comes > first, that > > experience IS reality. > > > > I suppose there are at least two kinds of "beings" who are not limited > by > > SOM; philosophers and mystics. In other words, rejecting SOM can be a > matter > > of thinking it through or it can be rejected on the basis of an > experience > > wherein all dualisms evaporate in favor of unity or the One. If you're > an > > infant, a dog or if you were raised by Buddhists in Japan then the > limits of > > SOM simply don't figure into the equation. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. > > > > > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mes > senger2_072008<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
