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Subject: Re: [MD] Reet and the Weakest Link
Mati and DMB
1 Aug. DMB said :
Mati said:
...Bodvar's SOL captures the essence of intellect from the western
metaphysical perspective. Both Bo and I are of the opinion that there
is no rival to SOL in the eastern metaphysical tradition that
dominated the social level and propelled intellect to what it is.
Marsha, before you pounce on this, I will also concede that at this
point nobody has been able to approach this question of eastern
metaphysical understanding as a context for intellect. Therefore
because it hasn't been thoroughly approached in this manner doesn't
mean it is automatically disqualified as intellect, it just means that
it hasn't met the muster that Bo has given to SOL as the heavyweight
contender. I would also share that in Pirsig's letter to Paul that he
has fallen short of giving us much to move forward on this issue. My
belief that Pirsig has retired on the tremendous accomplishment of MOQ
and will let us the next generation to figure out the details. So we
will continue to debate this issue.
Let us hope that a small group like minded individuals (about MOQ)
are up to the task and can the whole chain as strong as the
strongest of links.
SOL is the interpretation of MOQ that says that the 4th. level= S/O
and Mati means that there is no rival to the MOQ in the Eastern
Tradition. If we read this part of Pirsig's letter to Paul Turner.
The argument that Oriental cultures would not be classified
as intellectual is avoided by pointing out that the Oriental
cultures developed an intellectual level independently of
the Greeks during the Upanishadic period of India at about
1000 to 600 B.C. (These dates may be off.)
Pirsig points to the Upanishads period. Later Paul told about these
times as an intense philosophical search for the final ground of
reality (they did not see the god's realm as "rock bottom") This
corresponds to the Greek search for eternal principles that ended
in the SOM. This could have happened in the Orient too, but
according to Marsha there arrived a thinker (Prasagika) with the a
Quality-like insight (that there is no ground) so the Oriental SOM
(or intellectual level) was aborted - stunted at least - and without a
full-fledged 4th level the ensuing Buddhism does not have the
explanatory power of the MOQ.
OMG, I couldn't even finish this post so appalled I was by your "according
to Marsha". Marsha is a mental light-weight!!! She knows NOTHING!!! She
is only mightily struggling. - I've read Plato and Aristotle. They seem
lacking when compared to Nagarjuna. But for bloody sake, don't quote me.
Read it yourself. Are you afraid?
I think of Khoo Hock Aun's talk at the 2005 Conference. Was nobody
listening? (So dazzled by Orpheus' image, and thinking it your own?)
Intellectually stunted??? In no way stunted!!! The intellect of the
Eastern scholars seems boundless and beautiful. Stunted? No. No. No. I am
reading Ocean of Reasoning by Tsong Khapa, and will be happy with small
insights. Do not use me as a source of understanding these Eastern
philosophers.
ahsram
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