At 03:03 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
[Marsha]
But besides, SA is NOT this or that. She/He is an an ever-changing,
collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual, static patterns of value.... From
nano-second to the next nano-second there is absolutely no
consistency. Any consistency is illusion.
[Arlo asked]
Would you still feel as if Heather lied?
[Marsha]
Yes.
[Arlo]
Makes no sense to me, Marsha.
If "SA" is an ever-changing, collection of overlapping,
interrelated... patterns of value" with only the illusion of
consistency, then why would this be a lie? Why, if Heather really
and fully believes herself to be a female, would you're learning she
has male parts change your relationship with her? Again, what if she
had those parts removed years ago? Is she a woman then?
I'd gather you think of "Julia" as a lie and of "Mark" as the "real
person" despite her absolute self-identity as a female named Julia?
You may want to dismiss these questions, Marsha, and I can see why,
but they are really pointers to what you feel the "self" is, and
what correlates with you between "body" and "self".
I accept you as a woman, Marsha, and if I later learned that your
body was that of a male, I'd continue to accept Marsha as a woman. I
guess that's where we are different.
With Mark/Julia, I think it demonstrates how physical form has
little to no correlation with self-identity, and that the "selves"
of others we interact with can have value and meaning and reality
apart from the encumbrances of a physiological form.
And really, there is nothing more I can say. Let's just end this, okay?
Okay.
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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