Hi Bo

Pirsig actually said: There has been a tendency to extend the meaning of "social" down into the biological with the assertion that, for example, ants are social, but I have argued that this extends the meaning to a point where it is useless for classification. I said that even atoms can be called societies of electrons and protons. And since everything is thus social, why even have the word? I think the same happens to the term, "intellectual," when one extends it much before the Ancient Greeks.* The last part you and the rest of the discussion should heed because on the intellectual issue you are as far off as Magnus on the social (he is lost on the intellectual too, but never mind) This underpins the SOL interpretation. The Ancient Greeks is in a MOQ context means SOM.

It's getting very tedious to answer this exact same question over and over again! It makes me wonder if you've really read my essay, or my previous replies to the question.

Social value is the force that keeps things together when there's no other explanation, such as biological or inorganic.

What is so hard to understand about that?

        Magnus



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