Hello Magnus
On 16 Sep.
I had quoted Pirsig (for DMB?):
> > There has been a tendency to extend the meaning of
> > "social" down into the biological with the assertion that, for
> > example, ants are social, but I have argued that this extends
> > the meaning to a point where it is useless for classification. I
> > said that even atoms can be called societies of electrons and
> > protons. And since everything is thus social, why even have the
> > word? I think the same happens to the term, "intellectual," when
> > one extends it much before the Ancient Greeks.*
(and had added):
> > The last part you and the rest of the discussion should heed
> > because on the intellectual issue you are as far off as Magnus on
> > the social (he is lost on the intellectual too, but never mind) This
> > underpins the SOL interpretation. The Ancient Greeks is in a MOQ
> > context means SOM.
Magnus:
> It's getting very tedious to answer this exact same question over and
> over again! It makes me wonder if you've really read my essay, or my
> previous replies to the question.
As if reading your essay explains everything!!
> Social value is the force that keeps things together when there's no
> other explanation, such as biological or inorganic.
Then, by the same token, intellect is the force that keeps people
"thinking" when there's no other explanations such as inorganic,
biological or social.
> What is so hard to understand about that?
Regarding social it makes everything below (included) the 3rd. level
"social" and that is not the Quality idea. Pirsig correctly says that it
makes social useless for classification, and adds that an intellect
before the Greeks makes THAT classification useless, but you don't
heed these "warnings".
Regarding intellect the notion of the MOQ as an intellectual pattern
makes everything "intellectual". DQ itself is "intellectual", the static
levels are "intellectual". Craig protested and called this confusing the
menu and food, but after my Newton example he clammed shut.
The SOL interpretation is now vouched for by Pirsig (as far as he could
possibly go) but people don't admit anything, it's a fate worse than
death. The biological component of your "social" is the 3rd. level in its
parent's service, and I would advice you to accept that, as well as
dropping the the inorganic part.
Bo
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