At 08:16 AM 9/19/2008, you wrote:
Hi Marsha
You wrote "I think you (Bo) and many others"? Who else are you addressing?
Can't think of anyone in particular right now, but since my view of
the MoQ's levels quite recently evolved because some observations
didn't quite fit in my old view, I'd say that I can find some pile
of "r" in every other view.
On the other hand, most others here are quite fuzzy when it comes to
details about the levels, they mostly claim they are just one
convenient way to view reality, not reality in itself.
You are not talking about things-in-themselves, are you? Because
they do no exist within the MOQ. Right? This is, of course,
related to my question in the Pattern thread.
Yes, I saw that. But yes, I'm talking about things-in-themselves.
What else? And I very much think they exist within the MoQ,
otherwise I wouldn't be so dead set on trying to explain them within
the MoQ's levels.
Think of it this way. If the MoQ were to say that things doesn't
really exist, it would invalidate everything that physics, and all
other sciences, have ever accomplished. It would say something like:
- Well, guys, it's very convincing and such, but I'm afraid non of
it is real cause we can't make heads or tails of it philosophically.
Then science would simply laugh at philosophy and go on with its own
business anyway. But I think philosophy *can* help, but then it must
of course acknowledge the reality of what the sciences are doing,
and that's a big part of what my latest essay is about.
Magnus
Greeting Magnus,
Those that first proposed the world to be round, instead of flat,
were the source of much laughter. In the MOQ there are no
things-in-themselves. This is clearly stated in the Copleston
paper. The MOQ does not invalidate everything that physics, and all
other sciences has ever accomplished. It now views these
accomplishments from a broader perspective. It's mutually,
interdependent, static patterns of value instead of
things-in-themselves. Hasn't physics been moving in that direction any ways?
Marsha
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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