On Thursday 18 September 2008 11:30 PM Joe responds to Ham:
Being-aware seems to be your doctrine. How does it apply to an individual stone?
A stone is not aware. It's an insentient being, part of our universal construct.
As a plumber for many years I had to get a license or permit from the State, County or City to work at my profession. I did not construct my own license. I do not know from whom I would get a permit to try to construct a universe from values.
Fortunately, you don't need a permit or license to experience value. This ability comes in the package with being-aware.
What am I to you? I think you are a year older than I am so I suppose I have to respect my elders. Unfortunately I learned disrespect at an early age! I am sorry!
Do I sense a hurt conscience? If you disrespect me, you should be sorry! [Ham, previously]:
I might ask you if there is such a thing as unrealized Quality. If not, then quality is an attribute of man's awareness rather than the essence of reality.
[Joe]
"Uunrealized Quality² might not be a thing but a Quality. Yes, I think evolution is valuable over time.
That is not what I asked you. Can there be a quality that is not realized? I also asked where you come up with seven levels of quality.
Do you deny the existence of Quality? I guess you are not a Quality person. To each his own!
I deny that there is quality or value in the absence of realization or appreciation.
I am a singer. I model evolution according to an analogy to the intervals of the musical octave.
Yes, we've discussed that before, Joe. Are the seven steps of the scale your model for the seven levels of quality?
[Ham, previously]:
And what do they have to do with "revelation"?
[Joe]:
You brought it up with a quote of "seeing through a glass darkly" from the bible. It was my opinion that an order in existence was the basis of my perception of existence. I concluded that Scripture was the basis of your perception of existence.
That was an analogy to illustrate the limitations of human perception. The only "scripture" involved in my philosophy is my written thesis.
I would argue that ... evolution is an apparent order in existence. The experience of the appearance of existential phenomena is my experience of reality.
Putting existence before awareness is existentialism. The existentialists (Heidegger, Sartre) theorised that being precedes essence. Essentialism posits awareness as the dichotomy being/aware. One does not exist without the other.
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