Hi Mel
On 23 Sep. you wrote:
Bo before:
> > What you write is the usual approach, the S/O is one tool in an
> > intellectual toolbox - or level - a good tool, but there may be
> > other other non-S/O tools in there. Isn't that how you reason?
Mel answered:
> A Newtonian Model of Reasoning for Physics works to a certain point A
> Euclidean Model of Geometry works in certain conditions. Both fail
> outside of certain conditions...no longer useful tools. Musically the
> form of the Blues can work or Jazz or Baroque etc. but sometimes they
> don't work for a purpose or in combination. Visual or kinetic reasoning
> can lead to similar decision points. None are inherently Subjective or
> Objective any more than classifying Fungus as Vegetable or as its own
> Kindom makes it so. The Morel fruiting body does, unbothered.
> Assignment of what is Subjective and What is objective is a matter of
> training and not always obvious or applicable. The tool has limits and
> it is an illusion outside of those limits. ...Least ways, that's how
> the flat slimy thing dances in my head.
I'm not sure what all this says, but - again - you said:
I do, however believe that SOM is merely one of many
available tools, and we make more all the time, and not all of
quality is a 'fit' for the SOM socket.
and I must still conclude that this looks as if you envisage other non-
S/O intellectual patterns. And Pirsig (in "Lila's Child") says the same
and mentions mathematics as an example My "objection" to that was
that math in the calculation sense is something ancient people were
masters of, and these people (the Babylonians and pyramid building
Egyptians are "pre-intellect" level. However, when the Greeks created
academical discipline - mathematics and geometry - THAT meant the
coming of intellect. F.ex. constructing theorems to show how/why the
squares on the legs of a triangle ...etc (Pythagoras) and other
relationships are OBJECTIVELY true.
It's not sophistry, but can you try to come up with something you deem
intellectual yet not S/O.
Sincerely
Bo
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