Hello Ham,
At 12:38 PM 9/16/2008, you wrote:
Ron, Marsha, Bo [Chris mentioned] --
[Ham, previously]:
Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary
source? IS there a primary source in the MoQ? If you can't
answer this affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the
Quality hierarchy has no fundamental reality and is merely a
paradigm for experiential existence.
[Ron]:
An accurate assessment.
[Marsha]:
RMP states that Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.
Quality is beyond conceptualization. I think it would be safe to
state that experience is the
primary source of patterns.
But the experience (of patterns) doesn't qualify as the source (of reality).
Why not? What experience do you have outside of your patterns?
You've got to have patterns before you can experience them. Where
do they come from?
Who is not a bundle of patterns? I would think most patterns come
from the previous moment.
I'm not asking you for definitions. But unless the capacity to
experience (i.e., sensibility or consciousness) is primary, and is
what Pirsig really meant by Quality, your answer confirms my
assertion that the MoQ has no essential foundation.
Quality and experience are synonyms.
Marsha
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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