At 08:19 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
[Marsha]:
My beef is your insinuation that Quality, which is beyond
definition, needs to be associated with words like: primary,
first, or purpose. To call Quality the primary source is an
attempt to make it static, turn it into a static pattern of value.
You go too far.
Ah, yes. The infamous and ill-conceived "static/dynamic" split.
(I might as well get this off my chest as well.) Patterns, like
movement and change, are differentiated events which only occur in a
relational system. Relation is the nature of physical reality which
is secondary to the primary source.
Relation and change represent reality's empirical nature.
I never understood why the Pirsigians insist that their fundamental
reality must be dynamic, while its derived patterns are
static. This seems illogical to me. Even in the mysticism of the
Orientals, what is absolute and whole is unchanging, whereas the
mind interprets it as a flow of pluralistic events.
This statement is way too general for understanding. I doubt that
you have a full understanding of Eastern mysticism or its
teachings. Even within Buddhism there is still a debate concerning
whether there is really 'two truths' or one.
You see, Marsha, for the essentialist Essence is static and
immutable, impervious to the conditions of finitude. It is
existence which is differentiated and transient. And this is
because the locus of subjective experience -- individuated awareness
-- is detached from the essential source, thus limited in its
perspective. In biblical terms, we "see through a glass,
darkly." What we see is a finitely differentiated "reduction" of
the absolute source.
Tell me, Marsha: Does Pirsig acknowledge DQ as the primary
source? IS there a primary source in the MoQ? If you can't answer
this affirmatively, then I would submit to you that the Quality
hierarchy has no fundamental reality and is merely a paradigm for
experiential existence.
RMP states that Quality is indivisible, undefinable and
unknowable. Quality is beyond conceptualization. I think it would
be safe to state that experience is the primary source of patterns.
Marsha
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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