Hi Bo,
We agree on so much, including the "overview" position of the MOQ looking
down on the intellectual level and doubting that level's claim as the One
Path to Truth. The intellectual level's blindness to morality beyond
cultural whim trips up the most dedicated traveler seeking the high
mountain of understanding. Such blindness inevitably leads intellectual-
bound seekers to blurt out in frustration as they stumble on the hard
questions, "Oops." The scientist's (SOM) faith in the creative power of
chance never ceases to amaze.
Regards,
Platt
[{Platt]
> > I'm all in favor of trying isolationism again. There's only one
> > problem. Who will defend the intellectual rights of free speech,
> > freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, trial by jury, habeas
> > corpus, government by consent, etc.? The rest of the world seems bent
> > on appeasement, just as Europe did during the rise of Hitler and later
> > while threatened by Russian communism.
>
> Agree, particularly your showing what intellectual patterns are,
> meaning that the MOQ's 4th. level has noting to do with "nominalism",
> "thinking" or any of these SOM-subjective phenomena, but is all about
> checking social value, the epitome of which is the Semitic type
> religion.
>
> The Western culture has managed to free itself from its own kind -
> traditional Christendom - and entered Enlightenment and the various
> constitutions that sprang from it, the American, French and our humble
> Norwegian one in 1914 where the said freedoms and rights are all
> "baked in".
>
> Right now in a world perspective Islam is the remaining social value-
> steeped culture and typically enough what the islamists hate are
> exactly the said intellectual patterns. Must add that Judaism is the
> source of which Islam is a re-vitalization and early Christendom a
> continuation. The orthodox Jews hate "intellectual values" too, but are
> contained by the secular Israeli state.
>
[Platt]
> > Even now Europeans stand idly by while Muslims, rejecting Western
> > values and refusing to assimilate, occupy their countries. But, what
> > the hell? If you're a multi-culturist, it makes no difference whose
> > regime you live under. All are equally moral. Pirsig may be the only
> > intellectual left who believes multi-culturism is bullcrap. ....
>
> You are right, except for Pirsig being "an intellectual". He began as
> one but became a Quality thinker and saw that intellect's freedoms &
> rights are what lets an intellect-steeped culture being overrun. A
> Quality view from above intellect is needed, one that sees intellect as
> its highest static value and justified in defending itself.
[Pirsig]
> > "A culture that supports the dominance of social values over
> biological
> > values is an absolutely superior culture to one that does not, and a
> > culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values over social
> > values is absolutely superior to one that does not." (Lila, 24)
>
> This clearly shows the Quality idea that so few grasp. If we regard
> Islam (as the most typical social pattern) it may be superior compared
> to the many "biological" tribes of - for instance - Central Africa, and if
> those became muslims it would be a moral process. But as superior is
> the intellectual culture compared to the social and makes the Muslims
> so dangerous when/if they think their morals are valid in the West (that
> authors, film-makers, cartoonists who "insult" ... you know ... must be
> killed)
>
> Bo
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