Hello, Ian, Gav, Mel, If I may jump in with a paralelling thread of thought. In a thread with Bo, I make the distinction between competing types of logical systems allopoietic systems of thought or SOM and MoQ based on An autopoietic systems. It explains how classic logic needs to form a meta level for self refference. autopoietic systems may be seen as emergent systems of logic.
Thought this may help things along. -Ron ________________________________ From: ml <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 9:36:37 AM Subject: Re: [MD] emergence morning, gav, >gav > been thinking about emergence, it is a good, perhaps excellent, metpahor for DQ. > > "in philosophy, systems theory and the sciences, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. Emergence is central to the theories of integrative levels and of complex systems." wikipedia > > in the moq we have levels that supervene on one another. that is to say the inorganic level is integrated within the biological level which is integrated within the social level which is integrated within the intellectual level (.....which is integrated within????) > > the higher levels show emergent properties that are not deducible/predictable from the properties/interactions of the patterns of the parent level. the discrete nature of the MOQ levels highlights the non-continuous nature of this process of emergence.. mel: You've gotten to the heart of it. Emergence is the evolutionary 'vector' of dynamic patterns, while accretion of experience is the behavior of static patterns. Our 'reality', our lives require both, but discrimination between them often takes some effort, other times it's clear. Keep developing that line of thought, emergence. It is a rich one. thanks--mel Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
