Hi Mel:

Mel in response to dmb:

It is a trap, a cage, and the question is; who is on
the inside looking out and who is outside looking in?

Andre:

We are.

Mel:

While it has been put forth that SOM is only one possible tool
in the intellectual level. It seems to be a failed analogy to some.
Maybe a better way to look at SOM is as a system within the
intellect.  It has as its best function the reductionist, the
granular, the take-it-apart-and-look-under-the-hood/bonnet
approach.

Andre:

Agreed Mel, it depends on what you are investigating...trying to make sense
of...

Mel:

I briefly mentioned the distinction earlier of different orders of
infinity, which I think (per Stuart Kauffman's writings), a perfect
analogy to steal.  SOM is like a first order infinity in how it deals
with the world...it will  get you close.  Like knowing all the integers
in the the infinite number line will allow you to always be able to
bracket anything between two integers.  No matter how big or
small a number you can know what it is between--that's a pretty
close understanding of the universe.

Andre:

Not sure what you are getting at Mel. Is it like the development of single
word concepts meaning loads of things? (sort of a summary which is argued
for, accepted and then integrated at the social level and then in its turn
gets elevated to the intellectual level? That is: taking on complete
analogies? For example: the word: capitalism evoking an entire way of
organising/looking at the economic activities? Obama: evoking an entire set
of emotions plus analogies plus repressed feelings plus anything you want to
add?

SOM promotes this sort of reasoning. I am not sure if it gets you close, I
think it gets you further away.

Maybe I have misunderstood what you are trying to say.

Andre
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