i concur. bo you are wrong. guess i ain't a thinker.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MD] Congratulations America!
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Received: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 4:02 AM
> Bodvar said:...I believe that the "SOM as
> intellect" tenet is now generally accepted (among the
> thinkers) and that means that the MOQ is no intellectual
> pattern and thus saved. DMB will probably repeat "Bo is
> wrong" till he drops, but that can't be helped.dmb
> says:Consider it repeated. There are many thinkers that make
> a case against SOM and of course they use intellect to make
> that case. I think this should be obvious because the MOQ is
> our prime example of such a non-SOM intellectual
> description. Maybe your confusion is caused by a failure to
> distinguish between the capacity to think with the product
> of that capacity. It's like the difference between the
> skill of a carpenter and one of his products, between the
> ability to cook and the meal that's been prepared. The
> ability to manipulate abstractions is different than any
> particular configuration of of abstractions. That's how
> we can think of metaphysical systems as paintings in a
> gallery. The same basic skill set can produc
>  e any number of pictures. The notion that there can only
> be one true picture of reality is one of the central
> problems with SOM. Unlike the MOQ, scientific objectivity
> allows only one construction of things. This is also a
> feature of all forms of essentialism. I mean, your
> insistence that intellect equals SOM is probably, and
> ironically, a stubborn vestige of the SOM picture of
> reality.Personally, I don't like the consequences of
> that equation either. It denigrates the intellect and more
> or less denies it the capacity to change or evolve or to
> paint new pictures. Pirsig is saying that intellect is the
> most dynamic level and that's what makes it the most
> moral level but your equation turns the intellectual level
> into the MOQ's own worst enemy. Time to go to work.
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