Hi Andre, You wrote:
"This sounds like dividing things up again, as SOM would have us do." IMO MOQ relies on an insight into SQ/DQ. DQ is undefined and is only known through analogous or metaphorical terms. This is an arrow pointing process. A bow to shoot an arrow of discourse is possible but tricky. The analogy of a deity is used for a final principle. The deity of the inorganic level is the "bib bang", and mathematics is the language. The Social, and Intellectual levels are more delicate and a "big bang" is too difficult to envision. I propose a conscious/Mechanical analogy for DQ/SQ at the social and intellectual levels, with metaphor and analogy as the interpreters. I hope this helps. Joe On 11/11/08 2:19 AM, "Andre Broersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Joe, glad you join this very interesting discussion. > > I am not very clear on what you are proposing: > > You say: > > I propose a change of analogies for MOQ. Instead of DQ/SQ at the > intellectual level I propose Conscious/Mechanical as the analogy. > There is a mechanical intellectual level O. There is a conscious > intellectual level S. > > Andre: > > This sounds like dividing things up again, as SOM would have us do. I feel > uneasy about the term 'mechanical' do you mean the conventional S/O mode of > reasoning? I think Pirsig , in his Brussel's SODV (?) paper suggested the > pitfalls of such a mechanistic way of thinking. This term implies , for me, > a removal of the Soc/Int. level. That is, a removal of the observer from > that which is observed. > > Could you please explain further. (in simple terms, as I am) > > Andre > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
