Ian, My ongoing ire at Pirsig's distortions might have tempered had he shown any sign of grasping the magnitude and consequences of his errors but in the Baggini interview he repeats them with emphasis. I understand your desire to give him a pass but find that I am unable to be so charitable. Krimel
-------------------------------------------- Krim, Platt, To be fair in the 60's / 70's Pirsig would have had to do some serious digging to find enlightened views of emergence and "as if teleological" neo-Darwinian explanations. Perhaps by the time of Lila 80's / 90's he should have done that research ... but clearly he was never one for relating his thinking to the current thinking of others - not his style. Neo-Darwinism has evolved to converge very well with Pirsigian views. IMHO naturally. Ant's work has no problem pointing out the good fit. Puzzled why people feel the need for such a downer on neo-Darwinism. As well as Dennett on neo-Darwinism, people should read our own Paul Turner on "as if causality". This is no longer mysterious stuff folks. It will be three generations before this is common knowledge, but that's life. MoQers have no excuse for such ignorance. Ian On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Teleology is tale for children and religious fanatics. >> Krimel > > Teleology is tale for children, religious fanatics and Pirsig. Science has > yet to answer, "Why survive?" and " . . . sweeps the whole matter under the > carpet." (Lila, 11) > > [Krimel] > Indeed Pirsig's abdominal misunderstanding of evolution has served as a > major stumbling block for the MoQ. The MoQ IS about evolution. It is about > how stability forms and is able to persist in the face of change. Evolution > is about static and dynamic patterns in nature and biology. The MoQ has the > capacity to provide a metaphysical underpinning this aspect of biology. > Pirsig's dreadful use of teleology, the drive toward "betterness" and his > ridiculous notion that life is both anti-entropic and in conflict with the > laws of nature, all serve to weaken the impact and potential of the MoQ. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
