Hi Andre, Bandler's work sounds very interesting. Is a "state of trance" the same as a subject being hypnotized? I've always been intrigued by hypnosis having witnessed it in action and "put under" by it on several occasions. As far as I know, it still lacks a scientific explanation. It's one of Pirsig's "platypi." Thanks, Platt
Hi Platt, I'm glad you are picking this up (unfortunately it is getting late here and I have to get up early, but wanted to respond immediately). Bandler and Grinder put the 'being in trance' in the generalised context of 'being in trance' by one's culture...having one's cultural glasses on/ an alternative reality. Much as Pirsig means that to be born and growing up in a culture is to be 'hypnotised' into accepting a view of reality from the perspective of that culture that that reality is the one and only true reality. The experience of 'culture shock' comes to mind (which I have experienced) when one's culturally informed notions of reality and what should be real and acceptable and logically consistent etc etc are completely overthrown by the 'confrontation' with another reality...where all these preconceived notions are rendered meaningless. You end up in a state of shock: everything you have accepted as normal and real and predictable etc etc is gone. Of course the biggest problem is that the other reality is also very consistent and coherent and normal and makes sense (after a while) so you begin to wonder about the solidity of your own ideas of reality, consistency, logic etc etc. I think it lacks a scientific explanation because one is confronted with one's values (how things are supposed/ ought/ to be) and this is something science does not fully appreciate. If you are interested I'd like to explore this further. Bandler and Grinder did really interesting stuff. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
