Hi Bodvar --
Bo calling Ham.
9 Dec. you referred to my definition of the intellectual level:
> I understand it as THE VALUE OF THE
> SUBJECT/OBJECT DISTINCTION.
and said:
This has a certain ring of truth to it, as does its corollary
principle, which you've previously stated as: "Intellect is
the Value of the S/O divide." It's what got me interested
in your SOL thesis a couple of years ago. This concept
works as a metaphysical principle much better than the
Quality hierarchy. The problem I have with it is
a semantic one.
"Ring of the truth" yes, I hope, but FYI it does not represent
any metaphysical principle different from the MOQ,
The term "intellect", which is a carry-over from Pirsig's fourth
level, is most commonly understood to mean "the capacity for
rational or intelligent thought." It seems that you are using it
to mean "awareness" -- "the power of knowing", which is a
less common understanding on the word.
Right, the term "intellect" means the capacity for rational thought
(intelligent is superfluous) but then what is rational thought?
For example the "Oxford Advanced " dictionary"
"The power of mind to reason contrasted with feeling and
instinct"
Omitting "power of mind (which is the same as "the capacity for)
leaves feeling (emotion) which is the essence of SUBJECTIVISM
and reason the ditto of OBJECTIVISM, thus intellect is the capacity to
distinguish between these two. The confusion stems from the said
"power of ..." and/or "the capacity for ..." which has become intellect
itself.
If you remove feeling (e.g., desire and emotion) from what you're calling
Intellect, you eliminate Value (Quality) which is the essence of Pirsig's
thesis.
As I say in my SOL essay:
WHAT SCREWS IT ALL UP IS THE NOTION OF A
SUBJECT DOING THE INTELLECTUALIZATION,
WHILE IT IS INTELLECT THAT DOES THE
SUBJECT/OBJECT-IVIZATION.
If you remove the subject from this definition, you eliminate the
possibility of realizing value. As I said above, Value is sensed
psycho-emotionally. Unrealized Value is an epistemological absurdity.
But you have answered my previous question. You do not believe in the
subjective being-aware as the proprietary locus of experiential existence.
Intellect, Value, and Subjectivity are all patterned "aggregates" to you.
Sorry, Bo. I thought we had a breakthrough, but I guess it was just hopeful
thinking.
Regards,
Ham
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