-----Original Message----- From: Platt Holden [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness
> > Platt > > "A tribe can change its values only person by person and someone has to > be > > first." (Lila, 9) > > > > [Krimel] > > And someone has to go second. If only the first guy changes, the tribe > > never > > does. > > [Platt] > Right, individual by individual, person by person, one by one. > > [Krimel] > The point is that humans do not now and have never existed as > "individuals". > Individual thoughts and actions always and only take place in a social > context. No single individual creates or has created anything out over > whole > cloth. We always act, invent, discover and create within a social > context > that provides not just the raw material of our doing but gives it > meaning > and significance. [Platt] Yes, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone. In other words, each of us is eternally separate but never apart. But when it comes to an evolutionary advance, a step towards betterness, an individual alwasy leads the way, whether a carbon atom, a fishing chimpanzee or an Albert Einstein. The rest follow. [Krimel] No, we always live and breathe in the context of others. We are the product of our culture and culture provides the context and the raw material for every advancement made by every individual. The advance of any individual is not an advance at all unless it is appreciated and adopted by others. An advancement only has meaning in the context of culture. As for the idea that there was a first carbon atom, who lead the way for other carbon atoms to follow... Come on Platt, that is almost the dumbest thing you have ever written here. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
