> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Platt Holden [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness > > > > Platt > > > "A tribe can change its values only person by person and someone has > to > > be > > > first." (Lila, 9) > > > > > > [Krimel] > > > And someone has to go second. If only the first guy changes, the > tribe > > > never > > > does. > > > > [Platt] > > Right, individual by individual, person by person, one by one. > > > > [Krimel] > > The point is that humans do not now and have never existed as > > "individuals". > > Individual thoughts and actions always and only take place in a social > > context. No single individual creates or has created anything out over > > whole > > cloth. We always act, invent, discover and create within a social > > context > > that provides not just the raw material of our doing but gives it > > meaning > > and significance. > > [Platt] > Yes, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone. In other > words, each of us is eternally separate but never apart. But when it comes > to an evolutionary advance, a step towards betterness, an individual > alwasy > leads the way, whether a carbon atom, a fishing chimpanzee or an Albert > Einstein. The rest follow. > > [Krimel] > No, we always live and breathe in the context of others. We are the > product > of our culture and culture provides the context and the raw material for > every advancement made by every individual. The advance of any individual > is > not an advance at all unless it is appreciated and adopted by others. An > advancement only has meaning in the context of culture. > > As for the idea that there was a first carbon atom, who lead the way for > other carbon atoms to follow... Come on Platt, that is almost the > dumbest > thing you have ever written here.
Your collectivist view is about as dumb as it gets. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
