Marsha, May I borrow your question: "Do you think people are only capable of changing t heir point-of-view if they are suffering?" for a story I am writing?
thanks--mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MarshaV" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [MD] CBC Ideas: Homo (Sapiens) Neanderthalensis & etc. > At 02:51 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote: > >Dear All > > > >Marsha said 25 Dec. > > > > > This is a two-part series that runs November through December. This > > > is a very interesting program, and I liked very much the way it was > > > presented. As a podcast it can be downloaded at the website, or it > > > can be gotten from iTune subscribe. > > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/neanderthals/index.html > > > >Interesting, but what's the bearing on the MOQ? We know about the > >Neanderthals. > > Greetings Bo, > > Seemed to me the point of the program was that we don't know about > the Neanderthals. Science thought one thing. Then, new evidence was > found, and now then tend to think something quite different. In > fact, it was stated that the real story would probably never be > known. Ahhhh. There it is. > > My interest in the MOQ has taken a different direction. I'm > interested in the nature of patterns. The nature of what is > mistakenly thought of as an independent self. All patterns, for me, > have turned out to be interrelated, interconnected, ever-changing > concepts. No independent things. Only conceptual ideas (static > patterns of value) overlaid onto dynamic quality. For me, ALL spovs > are conceptual patterns. Categorizing patterns as inorganic, > biological, social and intellectual is a helpful tool, but not the > important aspect of this new point-of-view. > > Science often seems very arrogant and stupid. What thrilled me about > this program was an acknowledgement that what was known has > changed. Suddenly something so small seems very hopeful. > > --- > > Did you happen to listen to the interview with Eric Fischl? Do you > think people are only capable of changing their point-of-view if they > are suffering? And it is for the artist to show them and make them > experience their suffering? This seems to be a serious question. Or > maybe not Some would say to just paint. - Maybe you think change > happens when it becomes rational to do so? > > > Marsha > > > > > >There surely were other humanoid races around the > >globe before the Cro Magnons (with their "modern" neocortex brain) > >closed the "window of opportunity" for the other. At least no full-fledged > >Homo Sapiens suddenly emerged, there were hundred of thousands > >of years - millions possibly - before the said humanoid type had > >evolved (the biological level's internal evolution) and from then on > >scores of millennia before the social level emerged from the said Cro > >Magnon's biology (their intelligence IMO) > > > >By the way, I recently bought a history magazine that brought an article > >on the Greek thinkers and started with saying "The philosophers and > >scientists of antiquity were the first who tried to explain the world > >through reason and logical conclusions. From Thales to Archimedes > >they rejected their contemporary religious dogmas and shook their > >heads at anything not rational .(snip) .. laid down the fundaments for > >all scientific research and the modern Western culture and our time's > >democracy" (translated from Norwegian) I've never seen what > >happened in Greece presented so close to Pirsig's in ZAMM before. > > > >Bo > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > . > . > Credo of Albert Einstein: Although I am a typical loner in daily > life, my consciousness of belonging to the invisible community of > those who strive for truth, beauty and justice has preserved me from > feeling isolated. > . > . > . > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
