Second thought:
What I find interesting is that EVERYTHING is contingent on "as far
as we know".
Marsha
At 02:51 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
Dear All
Marsha said 25 Dec.
> This is a two-part series that runs November through December. This
> is a very interesting program, and I liked very much the way it was
> presented. As a podcast it can be downloaded at the website, or it
> can be gotten from iTune subscribe.
> http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/neanderthals/index.html
Interesting, but what's the bearing on the MOQ? We know about the
Neanderthals.
Greetings Bo,
Seemed to me the point of the program was that we don't know about
the Neanderthals. Science thought one thing. Then, new evidence was
found, and now then tend to think something quite different. In
fact, it was stated that the real story would probably never be
known. Ahhhh. There it is.
My interest in the MOQ has taken a different direction. I'm
interested in the nature of patterns. The nature of what is
mistakenly thought of as an independent self. All patterns, for me,
have turned out to be interrelated, interconnected, ever-changing
concepts. No independent things. Only conceptual ideas (static
patterns of value) overlaid onto dynamic quality. For me, ALL spovs
are conceptual patterns. Categorizing patterns as inorganic,
biological, social and intellectual is a helpful tool, but not the
important aspect of this new point-of-view.
Science often seems very arrogant and stupid. What thrilled me about
this program was an acknowledgement that what was known has
changed. Suddenly something so small seems very hopeful.
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Did you happen to listen to the interview with Eric Fischl? Do you
think people are only capable of changing their point-of-view if they
are suffering? And it is for the artist to show them and make them
experience their suffering? This seems to be a serious question. Or
maybe not Some would say to just paint. - Maybe you think change
happens when it becomes rational to do so?
Marsha
There surely were other humanoid races around the
globe before the Cro Magnons (with their "modern" neocortex brain)
closed the "window of opportunity" for the other. At least no full-fledged
Homo Sapiens suddenly emerged, there were hundred of thousands
of years - millions possibly - before the said humanoid type had
evolved (the biological level's internal evolution) and from then on
scores of millennia before the social level emerged from the said Cro
Magnon's biology (their intelligence IMO)
By the way, I recently bought a history magazine that brought an article
on the Greek thinkers and started with saying "The philosophers and
scientists of antiquity were the first who tried to explain the world
through reason and logical conclusions. From Thales to Archimedes
they rejected their contemporary religious dogmas and shook their
heads at anything not rational .(snip) .. laid down the fundaments for
all scientific research and the modern Western culture and our time's
democracy" (translated from Norwegian) I've never seen what
happened in Greece presented so close to Pirsig's in ZAMM before.
Bo
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