Andrè 6 Jan. you wrote: > Excellent post Bodvar! > My post was mainly aimed at the title of the article:From the left, a > call to end the current Dutch notion of tolerance.
Thanks Andrè. I understood your aim, however as "intellect" without MOQ is SOM the Western approach is SOMish, but we "initiated" ought to use the MOQ without the need for ".. resolving a metaphysical dispute at the end of each sentence". > Tragedies such as the ones I mentioned threaten achieved intellectual > PoV's such as 'tolerance', for me meaning the acceptance of > differences i.e ideas, behaviours and experiences. Agree about intellect's values being threatened, but the threats from - say - muslims in Europe would not be dangerous hadn't it been for the free-floating intellect-as-SOM that relentlessly undermines the intellect- dominated (Dutch) society which is its base. The least whimper from that quarter is met with cries of intolerance and bigotry. > They are under treat because they are being abused ...... Right, the abuse happens because the free-floating intellect can't see one good reason to limit its tolerance, but that's normal, intellect will never be reformed, it's a static level. What must happen is that enough "intellectuals" will transcend the 4th. level, i.e. convert to the MOQ. > and analysing who are abusing them presents an interesting picture: Again, it's the intellectual themselves. A comparison with the biological level: A yeast culture are living organisms devouring their inorganic base till it's exhausted and they all die. This can't be afforded at the human (social and intellectual) levels, but without knowledge of the MOQ this seems a possibility ... alas. > I have mentioned the minority of louts whose cultural values are > steeped within the social (ie Muslims). The term "society" and "social value" can often be confusing (but the culture term poses problems too) The Muslims' rage over "western values" is their pure social value horror by encountering the intellect- controlled Western societies. We often hear the young muslims speaking with contempt about the frivolous dress and general freedom of women in the West. > But other phenomena such as coffee-shops, where one can enjoy a legal > 'smoke' are abused by visitors. Not all coffee shops are abused, only > the ones bordering Belgium and Germany where on weekends they cause > havoc in the pubs and on the streets. Then the coffee-shops and the > red-light district (mainly in Amsterdam) are visited by plane-loads of > English louts every weekend causing owever drunkenness, od's, vandalism, > destruction of public and private property etc, etc. I am not > suggesting that the Dutch are holy, plenty of loutish behaviour there > as well, but this has never lead to a questioning of 'degree of > tolerance' with which intellectual patterns are now being confronted. > I suppose what I am saying is that one has to have some familiarity > with a tolerant attitude. I hope that 'current notions of Dutch > tolerance' will not be devoured by these behaviours (only time will > tell) but should that be the result, it will be a regressive step, an > immoral act, a victory of social over intellectual. IMHO Andre Now, this is another matter, the liberal attitude towards drugs and sex may cause "biological" problems for the intellect-controlled Dutch society, but against these local (white trash) intellect supports the social level "immune system" (police) in general. IMO Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
