Paco / gav, While it is true that 'praxis' trumps 'omphaloskepsis' and it is true that the MoQ is a tool of considerable effectiveness, history tells us of the danger of taking such an insight and acting in the spirit of inspired self-righteousness.
Taking a historical lesson from Christianity, on an individual level and a social level the lessons of this new faith brought the notion of forgiveness and added greater civility to civilization. Aside from the faith itself, which is a pervasive need of people, forgiveness and civility brought value to society and the individual. However... The church(es) went and blew so much of their credit by making an Inquisition and by elevating the social above the intellectual in the willingness to kill the Protestant or Catholic or Schismatic in defining themselves. That inversion of morality in MoQ terms is clear to us and created more 'atheists than would ever have had reason to be. For the MoQ to grow as a reality in people's lives it must do so as a remarkable idea that goes to the heart, clarifying the knotted confusions of the world divided by traditional sensibilities. We must learn or develop ways to share the insights in a less semantic intense way than 'we' all are able to use. (Most folks have a '5-minute' tolerance for philosophy, unless they're drunk.) If, however, we start a 'morality jihad' without folks learning the basics, we create the antithesis of MoQ. A longer view of "future history" will serve both us and the world than simply acting the part of 'motivated individuals' writ large. Not that making the world more moral by one's acts and pointing out the immoral are bad, but this is one of those times when how-it's-done is supremely important. In the terminology of warfare, the tactical is important, but it must be part of the strategic and supported by the logistical...if you want change to happen successfully. I guess of course this begs a question. What is the very specific use/good of the MoQ, how, and at which level, when? (Lots to consider in these four questions.) thanks--mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "francisco albano" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MD] epiphanies >> this is no time for semantics and navel-gazing; if we are to philosophise then it must be philosophy in action, it must be more than words - it must be mirrored by our actions and felt in our hearts. Let's test MoQ in praxis. Use MoQ to critique patterns of value are oppressive,and exploitative of peoples and nature. How does Napal and Cuba compare with the US and other other first world countries, for example? Are the ideologies of the WorldBank and International Monetary Fund and monopolies and monopsonies of high quality in any way? Are people's cooperatives of high quality compared with private capitalist institutions? Etc.MoQ must be prophetic, meaning it must help us denounce evil and announce the good. Thank you RMP for a tool to jhelp us see, judge, act. ________________________________ From: gav <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 1:47:05 PM Subject: [MD] epiphanies Paco Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
