Mel, Paco 9 Jan.:
I've read all of your post and am impressed with your analysis (World History in five seconds ;-) but it was this that really hit. > For the MoQ to grow as a reality in people's lives it > must do so as a remarkable idea that goes to the > heart, clarifying the knotted confusions of the world > divided by traditional sensibilities. We must learn > or develop ways to share the insights in a less > semantic intense way than 'we' all are able to use. > (Most folks have a '5-minute' tolerance for philosophy, > unless they're drunk.) The reason for my thirty year obsession with Pirsig's ideas is that they "..clarified knotted confusion of the world divided by traditional sensibilities" for me, and I think I'm close to Pirsig because it was the inconsistencies of (what he came to call SOM) that spawned the Quality Idea. > If, however, we start a 'morality jihad' without folks > learning the basics, we create the antithesis of MoQ. Could not agree more. But the MOQ itself was a bit immature at its launching, particularly regarding the intellectual level. However, things have been set right, not the least by Pirsig himself in the Paul Turner letter, so now it has "come of age". > I guess of course this begs a question. What is the very specific > use/good of the MoQ, how, and at which level, when? (Lots to consider > in these four questions.) Right, and for Paco's below > > Let's test MoQ in praxis. Use MoQ to critique patterns of value are > > oppressive,and exploitative of peoples and nature. How does Napal and > > Cuba compare with the US and other other first world countries, for > > example? Are the ideologies of the WorldBank and International Monetary > > Fund and monopolies and monopsonies of high quality in any way? Are > > people's cooperatives of high quality compared with private capitalist > > institutions? Etc.MoQ must be prophetic, meaning it must help us > > denounce evil and announce the good. Thank you RMP for a tool to jhelp > > us see, judge, act. In them old day I exchanged a few letters with Pirsig and he once said that the MOQ must be a "pilot log" that gives directions otherwise it's no good. I'm working on my own response to Paco, but it's such an enormous field and the need for "... resolving metaphysical disputes at the end of each sentence" hampers the progress. Thank you both. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
