Marsha to Bodvar: A pattern has a coming and a going. Its strength is based on its relationship with other patterns. It has attributes and aggregates which are also patterns. It is most probably an aggregate to another pattern. It is in a constant state of change.
Please explain how static patterns of value are independent and 'exist very much in themselves'. Please do not use the SOL because it has not been sanctioned by anyone. Andre: Hello Marsha, hope you do not mind me jumping in (knowing that Bodvar is very capable of looking after himself) but it is an intriguing issue about which I would like some clarification myself. If Quality (experience) is the fundamental building block of the world and it is accepted that the MoQ combines the four levels of patterns within an evolutionary hierarchy I would suggest firstly that the four levels are 'expressions' of different evolutionary phases of Quality. The inorganic being the 'oldest', the intellectual pattern the most 'recent'. 'Though each level of patterns have emerged from the one below, each one follows its own rules i.e. there are physical laws such as gravity (inorganic), the laws of the jungle (biology), co-operation between animals (society), and the ideas of freedom and rights (intellect). It is important to note that the different laws of the four static levels often clash e.g. adultery (a biological good for one's species) v. family stability (a social good)'. ( McWatt, The Role of Evolution,Time and Order etc, 1999). I think the "exist very much in themselves' refers to each of the four patterns 'following its own rules' and they have been given equal ontological status, i.e. each level of existence (and its 'role/ function'), is properly recognised within the evolutionary framework called the MoQ. I must also add that these are concepts (about reality) and should not be confused with reality itself. In this way it must be understood that a pattern of 'static quality' is abstracted from the 'continually changing flux of immediate experience'(DQ). 'By "static quality" Pirsig isn't referring to anything that lacks movement in the Newtonian sense of the word but to any repeated arrangement whether it is "inorganic" (e.g. chemicals, quantum forces), "organic" (e.g. plants, animals), "social" (e.g. cities, ant nests) or "intellectual" (e.g. thoughts, ideas). Static quality is any pattern that appears long enough to be noticed within the flux of immediate experience (i.e. within Dynamic Quality) [*18<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=mjs&ver=Bb2Jwb553WA&am=R-AwhcT38CCJDf1i2YUbuIM#Ref_18> *]. As Pirsig's theory is pan-experiential, the experience referred to by "immediate experience" applies to any entity (be it a sub-atomic particle, plant, worm, human being etc.) that is *derived from* immediate experience'.(McWatt, op.cit). I interpret this to mean that all is in a dynamic, evolutionary flux, ever changing, ever interacting. Recognition or non-recognition thereof depends on ones own static patterns. Hope this has been of some use Marsha. I do recommend you read the paper to which I refer so you can experience it yourself. Kind regards, Andre PS: would love to see some of your paintings. Can you send me some? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
