Bodvar: The point is that the 3rd. level people did not recognize thoughts and/or ideas as different from reality - that their myths were just myths - this S/O split is intellect's immense value. Have you noticed, one moment I damn intellect's S/O, the next I praise it? But this is MOQ's dilemma. Intellect its its highest static value, yet that which prevents so many from entering the MOQ.
Andre: Hi Bodvar, you mean I came in from the oven into the cold?? I am going to cut through most of the stuff and persue what remains of nagging interest to me by snipping your post above: Are you suggesting that the evolution of intellect from mental effort (thus the 'intellectualising' from 3rd level (social) 'thinking' into abstract/logical processes (intellectual PoV's ) has been made possible BECAUSE of the S/O split (since as Pirsig argues, before this split there were no subjects and objects)??? And, furthermore that because (and with the aid) of this S/O split, Pirsig has been able to develop his MoQ (and not without it because there had been no need)??? And, thirdly, had this evolutionary step not been made possible, would we still have lived in a 'myth' or rather a state wherein our (present day) capacity to reflect and 'rationalise' would not have been 'realised'?? Clarifying these would greatly help me understand your SOL interpretation. But again...keep it simple. Pretend you have to explain this to a 5-year old!!! Looking forward to your response. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
