Hi DMB. Matt Kundert mentioned On 31 Jan.
> Bo said to Andre:In the non-SOM MOQ there is no real/theoretical > distinction (this is the 4th. level's value) the DQ/SQ split has taken > over from the S/O split. Still with me? > dmb says:Oh, I see. I think you're suffering from a misconception that > is easily clear up by a simple statement. DQ and sq are both real. > They're different to be sure and so it makes tons of sense to split > things up that way but this distinction shouldn't be taken to mean > that static quality is unreal. Here it can help to recall that other > simple statement; experience is reality. That's the easiest > formulation of radicial empiricism. DQ and sq are both known in > experience. I am the one who have kept repeating that the DQ/SQ has taken over from the S/O and - further - that these splits are NOT of any pre-existing reality sitting up there waiting to be split (Matt Kundert agreed.Please come forward Matt!) How you read any misconception of the DQ/SQ not being real is beyond me. What must be avoided is the misconception of a "dynamic" Quality above and separate from the "static" DQ/SQ constellation stemming from the initial faulty "diagram" drawings. Again, the radical empiricism postulate a something ahead of S and O. This Pirsig agrees with - only adds that this is Quality - and THIS must necessarily be the DQ of the DQ/SQ. If you agree we have "cold fusion" ;-) > There has been a lot of discussion around here about how subject and > objects are not the ground of reality, about how the subjective self > is not the real self and this sort of talk is probably what's got you > tripped up. But that sort of discussion is just about getting rid of > subjects and objects as THEE metaphysical ground of reality and > instead saying, no, they're just static patterns, Not the least tripped up, I have identified the S/O as the 4th. level. > just concepts we use > to guide experience. And they work pretty well most of the time too. > In that sense, they're real. They're just not the ultimate or > exclusive reality. Total agreement! Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
