Hi Ron,
Yea, Nietzsche is nifty. I liked 'On Truth and Lies in an Nonmoral
Sense'. Ruthlessly honest.
My point was that science cannot tell us anything about the mystical
_experience_. I praised dmb's post because I thought that was what
he was pointing to. Religion and science share the same tendency
towards reification, and miss the point. First hand experience does
not equal secondhand description. IMHO
Marsha
At 08:59 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote:
Hi Marsha,
Loved tragic age of the greeks by the way, science deals with explainations.
science extracts concepts which are verifyable with experience in universal
terms. We all may experience red if one has eyes that respond to light, but
we all respond differently to that experience, how relational patterns connect
to our unique experiences shape the personal experience of red.
Associative experiences define the relation of the experience. Therefore
red is not merely a frequency of particles behaving in waves, it is
the reaction
of those particles and interaction which give red its phenomena along
with our relational experience of that phenomena.
science may explain the phenomena of color but it does not explain
the experience. Science functions on universals. its explanitory
power is thus limited to those experiences that are universally verifyable.
-Ron
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From: MarshaV <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 8:30:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] The Science of Red
At 07:47 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote:
> Hi Marsha,
>
>
>> It seems to me, religions reify experience into religious objects.
>> Science reifies experience into scientific objects. The MOQ
seems to point to the merit of the actual experience, and the
experience prior to concepts.
>
> I'm not sure I understand what the point of this thread is. Are
there questions you have about the experience of red? You seem to
be unimpressed by the answers Krimel presented that science has
about red, but you haven't asked any questions beyond, what does
science say about red?
>
> Best,
> Steve
Greetings Steve,
My question was about what science tells us about the _experience_
of red. This was just an auxiliary question. The primary question
was also about _experience_: 'It is my impression that the mystical
experience is without self and objects, in the land before
language. How does science deal with that?'
Not to worry. I'm perfectly willing to let the subject drop. I can
ponder it on my own time.
Marsha
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