At 01:38 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
> > > > >[Marsha]
> > > > >Within the MOQ, theism, god and religion are static patterns of
> > > > > value.
> > > > >[Krimel]
> > > > >What is a static pattern?
> > > >
> > > >Marsha:
> > > >A conceptual construct, or a static pattern of value. Do you like
> >paradox?
> > > >
> > > >[Krimel]
> > > >What is a conceptual construct?
> > >
> > >[Marsha]
> > >Why don't you tell me. You know you want to...
> > >
> > >[Krimel]
> > >Sounds like just a thought.
> >
> >Marsha
> >A mental construct, a static pattern of value.
> >
> >[Krimel]
> >Constructed of what?
>
>Marsha
>Constructed of emptiness which dependent arising.
>
>[Krimel]
>"Constructed" of emptiness? Emptiness arising? Dependant on what?
[Marsha]
Dependent arising:
This is the understanding that any phenomenon exists only because of
the existence of other phenomena in an incredibly complex web of
cause and effect covering time past, time present and time future.
This concept of a web is symbolized by Indra's net, a
multidimensional spider's web on which lies an infinite amount of dew
drops or jewels, and in these are reflected the reflections of all
the other drops of dew ad infinitum.
Stated in another way, everything depends on everything else. A human
being's existence in any given moment is dependent on the condition
of everything else in the world at that moment, but in an equally
significant way, the condition of everything in the world in that
moment depends conversely on the character and condition of that
human being. Everything in the Universe is interconnected through the
web of cause and effect such that the whole and the parts are
mutually interdependent. The character and condition of entities at
any given time are intimately connected with the character and
condition of all other entities that superficially may appear to be
unconnected or unrelated.
[Krimel]
But if it's all just concepts from whence do they arises? Other concepts?
And where do they reside? More concepts? What sort of "existence" are you
talking about? What is a phenomenon?
Krimel,
All conventional phenomena are conceptually designated, depending for
whatever identity and existence they have on such designation (static
pattern of value), and that this merely imputed status is their
ultimate nature.
Marsha
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