> > > > > > >[Marsha] > > > > > > >Within the MOQ, theism, god and religion are static patterns of > > > > > > > value. > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > > > > >What is a static pattern? > > > > > > > > > > > >Marsha: > > > > > >A conceptual construct, or a static pattern of value. Do you like > > > >paradox? > > > > > > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > > > >What is a conceptual construct? > > > > > > > > > >[Marsha] > > > > >Why don't you tell me. You know you want to... > > > > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > > >Sounds like just a thought. > > > > > > > >Marsha > > > >A mental construct, a static pattern of value. > > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > >Constructed of what? > > > > > >Marsha > > >Constructed of emptiness which dependent arising. > > > > > >[Krimel] > > >"Constructed" of emptiness? Emptiness arising? Dependant on what? > > > >[Marsha] > >Dependent arising: > > > >This is the understanding that any phenomenon exists only because of > >the existence of other phenomena in an incredibly complex web of > >cause and effect covering time past, time present and time future. > >This concept of a web is symbolized by Indra's net, a > >multidimensional spider's web on which lies an infinite amount of dew > >drops or jewels, and in these are reflected the reflections of all > >the other drops of dew ad infinitum. > > > >Stated in another way, everything depends on everything else. A human > >being's existence in any given moment is dependent on the condition > >of everything else in the world at that moment, but in an equally > >significant way, the condition of everything in the world in that > >moment depends conversely on the character and condition of that > >human being. Everything in the Universe is interconnected through the > >web of cause and effect such that the whole and the parts are > >mutually interdependent. The character and condition of entities at > >any given time are intimately connected with the character and > >condition of all other entities that superficially may appear to be > >unconnected or unrelated. > > > >[Krimel] > >But if it's all just concepts from whence do they arises? Other concepts? > >And where do they reside? More concepts? What sort of "existence" are you > >talking about? What is a phenomenon? > >Marsha >All conventional phenomena are conceptually designated, depending for >whatever identity and existence they have on such designation (static >pattern of value), and that this merely imputed status is their >ultimate nature. > >[Krimel] >So conventional phenomena are more concepts? But they have an ultimate >nature beyond being concepts?
[Marsha] Things from there own side are free from imputation. Nothing can be said from their side. [Krimel] Which side is which? A thing? I thought there were no things, just concepts? Which side can nothing be said from? Who or what would do the imputing? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
