> Steve wrote: > Faith has many meanings that are easy to conflate, but faith in this > context means belief that is not based on evidence. If there is no > evidence that could ever be viewed as inconsistent with a belief, then > that belief is held on faith.
MP: I would agree but note that "evidence" is a very rationally loaded term. I see "evidence" of a loving God every day, but forget about trying to translate that "evidence" into rational language. > Steve wrote: > You seem to say that there is no difference between religious faith > and holding certain assumptions about reality and how we can best > inquire about reality. MP: With notable exception of the MoQ, views of reality, metaphysics, are a form of rationalizing our understanding of that reality. Faith on the other hand is not rational in that sense. MoQ as I see it differs from those metaphysics the preceded it precisely by introducing the irrational element of Quality *without* it being in conflict due to its irrationality. In this sense MoQ pulls the rug out from under religions that had cleaved from reason/rationality (primarily Western) but developed around the same notion of an underlying morality in reality as we perceive it. MoQ is not in any sort of real conflict with the Eastern faiths (Zen, Tao) rather with the Western ones. > I think that one huge difference between the > so-called religion of scientists and that of Christians is that > scientists can always tell you exactly what sort of evidence would be > inconsistent with their hypotheses, which can be revised based on new > experience, while for religious people, there is no evidence that > could ever be viewed as contrary to their faith in certain tenets. MP: I don't know about that. I think both go about adjusting to contrary "evidence", they just do it in entirely different ways. Doubt is a major component of maintaining faith. how one deals with doubt in one's faith, in essence defines one's faith. Faith without doubt is either a rare enlightenment or a more commonly a blind faith. MP ---- "Don't believe everything you think." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
