Hi Steve, ,
>
> Faith has many meanings that are easy to conflate, but faith in this
> context means belief that is not based on evidence. If there is no
> evidence that could ever be viewed as inconsistent with a belief, then
> that belief is held on faith.
Would you say there is evidence for mysticism? ("mysticism" meaning
immediate consciousness of the transcendent or ultimate reality.)
> You seem to say that there is no difference between religious faith
> and holding certain assumptions about reality and how we can best
> inquire about reality. I think that one huge difference between the
> so-called religion of scientists and that of Christians is that
> scientists can always tell you exactly what sort of evidence would be
> inconsistent with their hypotheses, which can be revised based on new
> experience, while for religious people, there is no evidence that
> could ever be viewed as contrary to their faith in certain tenets.
What sort of evidence would be inconsistent with mysticism?
Thanks.
Regards,
Platt
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Platt Holden <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Hey MP,
> >
> >> However, faith precedes reason. Skepticism IMO is the failure of reason
> to
> >> accept that preconditional aspect of faith.
> >
> > Excellent point, MP. Separating faith from reason or any other
> intellectual
> > process is just plain dumb. Why? Simply because all intellectual
> processes
> > rest on underlying, faith-based assumptions. Case in the point: the
> > underlying assumptions of SOM:
> >
> > Faith-based metaphysical assumptions of the scientific worldview:
> >
> > Determinism--all effects emerge from prior natural causes
> >
> > Reductionism--complex phenomena can be explained by isolating simple
> > elements and processes
> >
> > Empiricism--reality grounded in sensory phenomena
> >
> > Materialism--matter/energy is the source of all phenomena including
> human
> > intelligence
> >
> >
> > Externalism--nature and its laws exists independent of human
> observation
> >
> > Mechanism--basic processes stem from causes that can often be formulated
> in
> > mathematical terms
> >
> > Experimentalism--models of cause and effect must be tested by repeated
> > measurements
> >
> > Evolutionism--continuous development is brought about by blind chance
> and
> > natural selection
> >
> > Emergentism--some phenomena occur as the result of self-organizing
> patterns
> >
> > Conditionalism--new discoveries may invalidate current theories
> >
> > To defend their faiths, some scientists and their acolytes are prone
> to
> > mock, demonize and marginalize competing views, using highly emotive
> > language and implying that all "intelligent" people must agree with
> them.
> > Thankfully there are individuals like yourself who are able to see that
> the
> > SOM emperor has no clothes.
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