Whoa, Platt! --
Your uncreated Creator is self-contradictory and therefore illogical. So it cannot be the basis of a rational argument. Strike One.
It's time to call in the umpire. What is "self-contradictory" about an uncreated creator? Surely it makes more sense than unrealized Quality or an evolving universe with nothing to create it. (Foul ball.)
You have written that without experience nothing exists. Since nothing exists without experience, there can be nothing beyond experience, like an uncreated Creator, to "bring value into the world" or "give man the capacity for discretionary judgment. Strike Two.
I have also written that existence is not Essence but a finite representation of essential value. No "things" exist without experience. What we call "reality" is the appearance of "beingness" -- a system of differentiated things in process. Not even scientists can refute the fact that all knowledge is experiential and all conclusions about objective reality are based on this knowledge. (Outside pitch.)
Experience exists. Experience is Quality. Quality is value. These principles offer a better explanation of the emergence of life and evolution than your uncreated Creator or the biologist's miraculous "Shazam."
Your premises are not "principles", and neither is the assumption that experience, value, and reality are equivalent. Experience is the cognitive perception of a phenomenon. It is value-sensibility relative to a specific space/time locus and exists only in subjective consciousness. (Another wild pitch.)
Until I know what you mean by the "biologist's 'Shazam'", the count stands at 3 balls, ? strikes.
Shall we try another game? Regards, Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
