Hey Ham, [Platt] > > I don't see where Quality is any more irrational than your > > uncreated Creator. Both are "outside rational analysis." > > But Quality has the advantage of being experience, or in > > SOM terms, being experienced every day.
[Ham] > Two things: Unlike your esteemed author, I do not claim to be an > anti-theist. Also, what makes my Essence concept "rational" is the logic > that only an uncreated absolute source (Cusa's "not-other") transcends > experiential existence. Your uncreated Creator is self-contradictory and therefore illogical. So it cannot be the basis of a rational argument. Strike One. [Platt] > > To believe in an uncreated Creator is a matter of faith is it not? > > Unlike the Essence idea of an uncreated Creator, the MOQ > > idea that some things are better than others cannot be denied. > > My cat, UTOE, demonstrates the latter every day. [Ham] > It's "a matter of faith" only in the sense that I can't empirically prove > my > conviction. > But then, neither can Mr. Pirsig prove that Quality is "the primary > empirical reality". The trope "some things are better than others" tells > us > nothing but that experience comes in a range from the desirable to the > undesirable. It doesn't validate the theory that the universe is morally > good (or bad) or that everything moves to "betterness". Moreover, it > doesn't explain what brings value into the world or what gives man (and > sometimes less cognitive creatures) the capacity for discretionary > judgment. You have written that without experience nothing exists. Since nothing exists without experience, there can be nothing beyond experience, like an uncreated Creator, to "bring value into the world" or "give man the capacity for discretionary judgment. Strike Two. > In addition to avoiding the illogic of a universe created from chaos or > nothingness, a philosophy founded on Essence as the primary source can > rationally account for the "how" and "why" of all these matters. What > non-faith-based answers are offered in the MoQ? Experience exists. Experience is Quality. Quality is value. These principles offer a better explanation of the emergence of life and evolution than your uncreated Creator or the biologist's miraculous "Shazam." Your out! Next batter please. Best regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
