At 07:08 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:
Marsha,

I like your description of "self."

> The self is an ever-changing,
> collection of interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, biological,
> social and intellectual, static patterns of value responding to
> Dynamic Quality.

I take it this means you believe the self is no illusion even though Pirsig
and some others say it is.

Platt



 Hi Platt,

The self is empty of independent (inherent) existence, therefore it is an illusion but,,, conventionally it is user-friendly and useful. - Where would I hang this _I_ if I didn't have this conventional, but illusionary self? Who would I dance with all day if I didn't have this illusionary self? Who would create this play that is life?


Marsha


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