At 07:59 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
Marsha,
Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:27:35 you posted:
>
>Marsha said to David Swift: Philosophizing indeed, and with such a
>distinguished list as Hobbes, Hume, Locke and Kant. It's hard to
>believe there would be exact agreement between these philosophers,
>especially in regards to a word like 'feeling' with its many
>definitions and multiple layers of connotation. Maybe you can offer
>some quotes as evidence to establish their agreement of usage and
>definition. ...'Feeling' like all sq is sometimes conventionally useful and
has a beauty of its own.
>
>
>dmb says: I think that's right. Feelings and instincts would probably
>be a static biological response to DQ. Hume was an empiricist and so is
>Pirsig but there is an important distinction between the traditional
>forms of empiricism and the radical empiricism of the MOQ. The former
>is also called sensory empiricism because it holds that the external
>objective world comes to us through the senses, through the sense
>organs, and it does so from within the assumptions of subject-object
>metaphysics. The radical empiricism of William James, which is adopted
>by the MOQ, differs from this by both rejecting the metaphysical
>assumptions and by expanding the notion of what counts as empirical
>evidence. In traditional empiricism we experience reality through the
senses but in radical empiricism experience is reality.
>
>
>DS says: Thanks for making the distinction. Are you all in agreement
>that TiTs don't exist in MoQ? Have you gone completely over to the
>idealism of Schopenhauer? If so what sense do you make of the inorganic SQ
level?
Greetings David,
For me there are no TiTs, not even on the Inorganic Level. Not rocks, not
mountains, not atoms are discreet entities. No phenomenon, no static
patterns of value have inherent existence. I am not a Materialist or an
Idealist. Rocks, mountains and atoms exist conventionally, but are empty of
inherent existence.
Hello Marsha,
This a puzzling development. How can the first static quality level exist
without TiTs? And how can anything be conventional and how can we talk to
each other without the third level?
David,
I do not understand the underlying assumptions of your question.
There are no independent patterns (entities). There are no patterns
(entities) not dependent on causes and condition. There are no
patterns (entities) not in the constant state of change. There are no
patterns (entities)without aggregates. Patterns (entities) known are
conceptual constructs. Patterns (entities) are ever-changing,
interrelated and interconnected processes.
Marsha
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