> ?I mean to say that faith and reason are the same. > Faith is belief, I ask,?on what does one base faith on? > > -Ron
MP: Ron, it is with the first statement then that I completely disagree. Faith; the "I believe" seed moment is not reasoned but experienced. You experience something and it gives rise to a belief through reason. But as with anything else, reason can only speak in reason's language, in fact language is in the realm of reason. Faith on the other hand is outside language, it arises conceptually before language. We just use language to describe it because "describing" is a form of reasoned action. (I do not propose all religious faithful come from this perspective. Many, admittedly reason themselves into "a faith" coming at it backwards. Their loss, IMO. But IMO that is the fault of SOM/reason's perniciousness in our culture and faith's weakness in the same regard. Outside SOM its not as much a problem, witness Tao; faith practically absent reason. Even in Christianity we see these West/East SOM difference between RC and OC Christian churches especially as it pertains to "explaining" inexplicables where RC tries to, OC does not, leaving inexplicables to remain so.) MP ---- "Don't believe everything you think." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
