On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:51:11 PM, "Platt Holden" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "Platt Holden" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] S/O Divide - Universal and Innate? Date: March 4, 2009 12:51:11 PM PST To: [email protected] Hey Willblake2, Ron, All
> Hi Platt, > I like the article. The relationship of the feeling of God to that of a > father is described by the mystic Jesus. When he had his mystical > insight, he tried to relate it, in static patterns, to those that would > listen. When he speaks (or at least was said to have spoken) about Our > Father, I believe what he was saying, was that the feeling he got from his > experience was best described as the feeling he had towards his father.. > He was not literally saying that there was a human-like father in the > sky, but that the feeling was similar. The question is, then, does this > feeling arise from the wiring of the brain, or does the wiring of the > brain arise to encapsulate this feeling? My current sense is that the > feeling already exists (through Quality, if you will) and that the wiring > is a result of harnessing it. In this way, I am able to get out of the > notion of evolution from the inside out, but rather the evolution of forms > from the outside in. Hope this doesn't make me sound religious in the > negative sense. > > Willblake2 > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:52:53 AM, "X Acto" <[email protected]> wrote: > Platt, > I have long thought that God is a conditioned associative response > to bonds with parents in the early stages of developmental growth. > > A study of children with little or no ties to parents or parental > figures > vs.children with strong ties would be interesting as to a which > would be more inclined toward religion. > -Ron I think religious feelings, especially those that pertain to morality, stem from the inseparabilty of experience from value, as the MOQ posits. The value distinctions of good and evil are part and parcel of experience itself, beginning in the womb (as Pirsig describes in Lila, chapter 9.) After birth every experiencing moment goes hand in hand with a value decision, most of them subconscious and thus felt intuitively. From that subliminal source emerged the notion of a supernatural moral authority. It took the MOQ to reveal that what people worshipped was the same as their primary experience. The MOQ broke the news that man's "soul" as defined by religious teaching is simply another name for Quality. Platt Yup, sounds good to me. One problem I have (and I am rereading Lila, now), is whether Quality is monistic or pluralistic, or should be described with these limitations. I get the sense that like the Tao, it is the source of all. If this is indeed true then I have a problem with free will. As William James expresses in The writings of William James (J. J. McDermott (ed) 1977 U of Chicago Press, pp 258-270), monism has many negative consequences philosophically, one being the sense of freedom. In MoQ is there a separate entity which is making decisions based on Quality? This is not a trap, I am just learning. Cheers, Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
