[Michael]
What Arlo said, and especially as evidenced by your reply to it, is
scant "evidence" in Arlo's terms of anything other than the fact that
Quality/MoQ is a faith, based on pre-intellectual belief, making it
(in Arlo's terms) no more worthy of his attention than God or Leprechauns.
[Arlo]
Then you are missing the context entirely.
Some pointers. Your "theistic Christian" rejoinder... you move the
"evidence" away from the experience of the dog and onto the presence
of sunlight. "Today Arlo's dog laid down and bathed in God's light".
The first part is evidence of Quality. The latter part is your
projection as to what created the "light".
I chose my "god" not because of its reverse "god" spelling, but to
demonstrate (as DMB correctly saw) that, unlike the experience of
"god", the experience of Quality is something "even a dog knows"
(according the MOQ, all patterns from inorganic to intellectual are
the result of responses to Quality).
Lastly, it places Quality in the experiential domain, and not in the
"faith" domain. My dog doesn't need to believe or have faith in
anything. But he certainly knows "its better" to lay in sunlight in
that moment that to not.
You know, I find it funny really. For how many years the "theists"
response to science was to attempt to elevate "theism" to be a
comparable alternative to "science". You had creationist institutes
and all sorts of attempts made to demonstrate that "theism" is not
based on "faith" but on "evidence". That seemed to fail (in the
larger dialogue, anyway), and now its seems that the attempt is being
made to lower "science" to the domain of "theism". Where in the past
"theists" said, "our beliefs are not based on faith but on evidence",
now they say, "well, you're beliefs are just based in faith too". And
in the end try to make the argument that believing in leprechauns or
quantum physics is really just the same thing, all just a matter of
faith, and none are better, just different stories. Whether or not
the earth was made 4,000 years ago or 4 billion years ago is really
just a matter of faith of both sides, no one knows who is right, and
so we should teach both as equal but competing "faiths" about the world.
You said it yourself, "Quality... God.. same thing". The MOQ is
really just another theism. Quality is just another God. And all this
is just another flavor of Kool-aid.
And yet, still, (to paraphrase Platt), "even my dog knows 'it's
better here'". And he doesn't need any Kool-aid to figure that out.
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