Krimel, and Arlo too, you have the patience of saints! -KO
2009/4/10 Krimel <[email protected]> > > [Krimel] > > But social structure and reciprocal altruism are now recognized > > as successful strategies for evolutionary success. > > [Platt] > Still to be answered by Krimel and has biology buddies is, "Why strive for > evolutionary success?" "Why survive at all?" > > [Krimel] > The answer to that is so patently obvious it hardly deserves consideration. > We strive to survive because we are descended from survivors. It really is > that simple. We have built into our DNA mechanisms, urges, emotions and > needs that facilitate our survival. Those who do not have this inbred need > do not survive. The questions is idiotic. It's like asking why don't we > breath water? Survival is the imperative of all living things. Without it > there would be no living things. > > [Kirmel] > > They also give the lie to the view you and Platt champion of the > > triumph of the individual over the evil forces of society. > > [Platt] > Check out individual vs. society rights in the U.S. Constitution. Also > review the standard of living provided by individualistic capitalism vs. > collectivist economic systems. > > [Krimel] > As you ought to know there is very little talk about individual rights in > the constitution itself. That is why the Bill of Rights was added. In case > you haven't read the Preamble recently here it is: > > "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, > establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common > defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty > to > ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for > the United States of America." > > Notice the plurals? We the People. In order to secure our rights ban > together collectively to provide the COMMON defense and promote the GENERAL > welfare... This is a statement of our collective duties and social > responsibilities. There is not one word about capitalism in the entire > document. The only way to read the Constitution as a Capitalist Manifesto > is > through an activist interpretation that violates the doctrine of original > intent. I am shock to hear you advance such a notion. > > > [Krimel] > > In fact we inherit the ability and the necessity to respond and > > interact effectively with others of our kind and these innate abilities > > shape the kinds of societies that we live in. > > [Platt] > What shapes the success of U.S. society is individual responsibility, free > markets and openness to DQ. Furthermore, the great achievers who drive > evolution in the arts and sciences are for the most part rugged individual > contrarians, like Galileo, Beethoven, Cezanne and Pirsig. > > [Krimel] > Right, that would be individual responsibility to society. Free market? > Look > around dude, that's working real well. Raygunomics worked to dismantle > government regulation and what a surprise, it produced the kind of > depression that led to regulation in the first place. Unless you equate DQ > with greed I see no advantage whatever to your fantasy free market. > > What drove the success of the individuals you mention was the stability > provided by the social structures that supported them. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
