DMB,
I am not sure I disagreed with Krimel, but
suggested that his was one way to look at it.
I think there is a danger of overlaying the
evolutionary-pattern on everything that wiggles
in front of Science. Like all theories, it will
be outlived by a better theory. There seems to
be two religions wanting to orchestrate patterns
these days, theism which is the weaker, and
Science which is the stronger and totally
subsidized and supported by the state and
corporate structures, and science has domain over
every aspect of our lives. I think it was Andre,
that has used 'dust in the wind' as a very good
MOQ metaphor, static patterns are like dust, DQ
is like the wind, and all patterns, and that
includes theories, are dust in the wind.
William James and Alan Watts were both very good men.
It's a pleasure to disagree with you for a change, David.
Marsha
At 06:45 PM 4/13/2009, you wrote:
Krimel said to Marsha:
...the explosion of new applications of
evolutionary theory that you cite is clear
evidence of the dynamic quality of the theory.
It is static patterns that often give rise to
ever more interesting examples of dynamic
quality. For example language is entirely
composed of static pattern and yet out of it
grow that infinite generativity of speech and
writing. It is in fact the presence of static
patterns that give rise to ever more astounding examples of dynamic quality.
dmb says:
Hey, here's something marvelous and rare. I
agree with you. The explosion of applications
isn't just evidence of the dynamic quality of
the theory, though. It is also evidence for the
theory of dynamic quality. I mean, the fact that
evolutionary theory can be applied so widely
supports the MOQ's expansion to include
literally everything. As the old SNL fake news
joke shows, the process of evolution operates
differently in areas outside biology. "The
world's leading evolutionary biologist died
today... And was replaced by a larger, stronger
evolutionary biologist." Or to use your example,
words themselves don't strive to survive by
tooth and claw and yet the theory can be adapted
to language. Some scientists already describe
the unfolding of the physical universe in terms
of evolution and they do so, I suppose, without
any help from the MOQ. Seems like things are
generally moving in that direction and the
diversity of applications will probably continue to grow.
In a Alan Watts podcast I heard recently, he
explained that the East and West are divided by
a difference in their basic conceptions of how
the world came to be. We in the West have what's
called a "ceramic" conception of creation, where
inert stuff is shaped or made as a potter does.
God is the creator and we are among the created
things. You know, Adam was made from the dust.
In this conception reality is a collection of
artifacts. Made by who and for what purpose? In
the East, reality isn't a collection of nouns.
Its a verb. Creatures aren't made. They come
into being through action, through processes in
which they are actors. Reality is a dance, not a
structure. It comes to be from within, so to
speak, rather than being manufactured by
something outside itself. I mention this because
I think the MOQ's expansion of evolution to
include literally everything fits more
comfortably with the Eastern conception. Imagine
Darwinism in that context and that'd be close to
the what the MOQ is saying. Or so it seems to me.
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