Hi Marsha, i think religion still has more control of humans than science - can never measure really - but look at the wealth and influence of the Catholic church let alone Christianity as a whole and then the other religions.
Also - evolution is a fact - with a theory on top. I cant put into words but i think there is something so fundamental in Darwins observations that they will remain unchanged except for enhancements. -KO 2009/4/14 MarshaV <[email protected]> > > DMB, > > I am not sure I disagreed with Krimel, but suggested that his was one way > to look at it. > > I think there is a danger of overlaying the evolutionary-pattern on > everything that wiggles in front of Science. Like all theories, it will be > outlived by a better theory. There seems to be two religions wanting to > orchestrate patterns these days, theism which is the weaker, and Science > which is the stronger and totally subsidized and supported by the state and > corporate structures, and science has domain over every aspect of our lives. > I think it was Andre, that has used 'dust in the wind' as a very good MOQ > metaphor, static patterns are like dust, DQ is like the wind, and all > patterns, and that includes theories, are dust in the wind. > > William James and Alan Watts were both very good men. > > It's a pleasure to disagree with you for a change, David. > > > Marsha > > > > > > > At 06:45 PM 4/13/2009, you wrote: > > Krimel said to Marsha: >> ...the explosion of new applications of evolutionary theory that you cite >> is clear evidence of the dynamic quality of the theory. It is static >> patterns that often give rise to ever more interesting examples of dynamic >> quality. For example language is entirely composed of static pattern and yet >> out of it grow that infinite generativity of speech and writing. It is in >> fact the presence of static patterns that give rise to ever more astounding >> examples of dynamic quality. >> >> >> dmb says: >> Hey, here's something marvelous and rare. I agree with you. The explosion >> of applications isn't just evidence of the dynamic quality of the theory, >> though. It is also evidence for the theory of dynamic quality. I mean, the >> fact that evolutionary theory can be applied so widely supports the MOQ's >> expansion to include literally everything. As the old SNL fake news joke >> shows, the process of evolution operates differently in areas outside >> biology. "The world's leading evolutionary biologist died today... And was >> replaced by a larger, stronger evolutionary biologist." Or to use your >> example, words themselves don't strive to survive by tooth and claw and yet >> the theory can be adapted to language. Some scientists already describe the >> unfolding of the physical universe in terms of evolution and they do so, I >> suppose, without any help from the MOQ. Seems like things are generally >> moving in that direction and the diversity of applications will probably >> continue to grow. >> In a Alan Watts podcast I heard recently, he explained that the East and >> West are divided by a difference in their basic conceptions of how the world >> came to be. We in the West have what's called a "ceramic" conception of >> creation, where inert stuff is shaped or made as a potter does. God is the >> creator and we are among the created things. You know, Adam was made from >> the dust. In this conception reality is a collection of artifacts. Made by >> who and for what purpose? In the East, reality isn't a collection of nouns. >> Its a verb. Creatures aren't made. They come into being through action, >> through processes in which they are actors. Reality is a dance, not a >> structure. It comes to be from within, so to speak, rather than being >> manufactured by something outside itself. I mention this because I think the >> MOQ's expansion of evolution to include literally everything fits more >> comfortably with the Eastern conception. Imagine Darwinism in that context >> and that'd be close to the what the MOQ is saying. Or so it seems to me. >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > . > _____________ > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... > . > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
