yeah i guess jung, de chardin, mckenna etc were all toad lickers too....and the mayans, and the hindus, and the chinese mystics - all crazy, off their heeds on toad sweat. that must be it.
good luck g gav, You certainly have a penchant for the crazies. It really is entertaining to hear you go on about such foolishness in such a matter of fact way. Don't you Aussies have those marvelous toads that you can lick their skin and hallucinate? If I send you my address could you mail me a breeding pair? We just don't have drugs here that can produce the kind of high you seem to be on. Krimel ______________________________________________________ hiya monkeys, time and space, being static patterns, are abstracted from the eternal omnipresent. all past and future is here now; each point contains the entire universe (i am assuming that people get this, otherwise i will have to write a lot more). teilhard de chardin understood this and it helped him shape his orthogenetic theory of evolution. put simply, it is the idea (also favored and eloquently related by terence mckenna) that an attractor 'pulls' evolution towards it - towards an 'omega point' in de chardin's terminology. as i have said this is entirely logical if you understand the relative nature of time and space. the best way we can interrogate evolution is existentially - as this provides us with the most empirical data. 1)do we evolve? 2)how does it happen? 1) yes. i am sure that i have changed over the years - i have gained knowledge, experience, a little wisdom i hope. in short i feel more complete and sufficient in myself than say 10 years ago. 2) through suffering. suffering is the negative face of quality. it forces us to comprehend the why of suffering and through that understanding integrates it within a larger conception of the self. evolution is the topic du jour. we are accelerating through an evolutionary bottleneck which is predicted to culminate in dec 2012. the current climatic, economic and personal instability are symptomatic of this period of rapid change.... and things will change more rapidly as we reach the end of this age - mckennas timewave zero study of the i ching is very interesting in this regard. i see the end of the mayan 5th age (the end of time) as being an awakening of jung's collective unconscious - which is the same thing as de chardin's noosphere, or the gaian mind. jung always said that synchronicity was natural time - which again complements the idea of an end to (psychological) time. remember what the word evolution actually means (how often is the answer we seek right in front of us i wonder?) - UNFOLDING. it is an expansion - an expansion into awareness of what already exists but is hidden. cheers g Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
