Gav: I'm a bit skeptical about the whole 2012 thing and McKenna's ideas struck me as being at the very edge of what's credible and yet things do seem to be sort of coming together all at once. It seems that many of the old ways of thinking and being are exhausted, spent. Its interesting that Obama, a man who doesn't just advocate diversity but embodies it physically and biographically, has come along just as cowboy capitalism crashes and global warming is heating things up. It seems the very atmosphere will force a crisis and then a change. I suppose its gonna get ugly before it gets better but apparently that's what it takes to make changes. Rock bottom for the twelve-steppers and humanitarian catastrophes for the nations are the same thing on different scales, or something like that. And I tend to think you're right about a move toward the feminine. This is not good news for just for the chicks. There's something about the denigration of the body, of the earth and of women that is all of a piece. These are all aspects of the same general distortion, different features of a culture that has failed to balance masculine and feminine qualities. It would probably help if someone would explain how masculine things, mechanical things could be seen as a form of art, as a particular kind of beauty..
Oh, wait. Somebody already did that. It was some author who wrote "The Tao of Unicycle Care" or something like that. I'll look it up and get back to you. dmb > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:03:37 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Catching up to Pirsig > > > lovely analogy wb, > thanks for the kind words > > perhaps the concept of 'memes' is now more useful than genes; genes being > just one type of meme. > > 2012 is intriguing. i have read and watched much about it and a lot of it > resonates. i guess intuitively i don't believe we can keep going as we are > much past 2012....natural disasters, climatic extremes, sea level rise, > nuclear war, pandemics....take your pick. this is one reason why it seems to > fit: the timing seems right. > > i am fortunate to have people in my life who are basically bodhisattvas, one > especially. i have seen how she maintains a positive outlook, and how she > focuses on how she can help others, and over the years i have seen many > people be helped just by her loving, fun presence. there is no moralism or > cant in her, and neither is she a martyr - quite the opposite. > > she reminds me a bit of henry miller, my guru, in that she doesn't recede > from the world to gain spiritual calm - she plunges fully into it. karl > shapiro called henry miller 'gandhi with a penis' - i like that. > > anyway i guess what i am driving at (yes gav, what are you driving at?) is > perhaps HOW this putative change is occurring, now. what is very interesting > is that my friend lives with 7 other girls in a warehouse in melbourne...they > are a very happy interdependent family....ahhh interdependence!!!! that may > be it. > > to be dependent is to be a child; to be independent is to be an autistic > adult, ie one that is to some degree cut off from others. to be > interdependent is to be a human being - to realise that optimal care, for > self and world, is found through a sharing of resources, ideas etc with other > similar folk. it is an exponential increase in power - parallel rather than > series config - a la pirsig. > > interesting about the girl thing too...i am seeing the female rise up as i > have talked about for years - it is actually happening (and just to make sure > i don't get all egofluffy my girlfriend is now leaving me for melbourne - > that same warehouse! to join in the female fun). go the girls! even if it > means a bit of heartache - in fact definitely if it means heartache! all the > better! > > wow what an evolution. and if terence is on the mark we are just > starting...the ride gets crazier - faster and faster - from here on. > > so what does that mean for the guys i wonder? probably the same thing. we > need a bit of more feminine energy within ourselves i suppose - the whole > nurture, care, strength thing. a good place to start is the garden i reckon. > > anyway all the best wb, > enjoying your posts > > > > > > Aloha g, > > I loved your post. I find that evolution is much easier to understand through > the concept of attraction. In previous posts I have likened the evolutionary > tree to the delta of a river as it approaches the ocean. The attracting > force is > gravity, and natural selection is the terrain. The gene pool is the river as > it subdivides due to the pressures of the terrain. Sometimes these branches > dead-end, others keep branching. > > The actual shaping force of the "outside" environment is intimately creating > new species, as the overall driving force pulls them. This does not only > happen > through genetic sequence selection on a generational basis, but also happens > within generations where the experiences of an organism causes it to change > and these changes are actually passed along to the offspring. The area > of genetics studying this is termed epigenetics. So through epigenetics (by > such methods as DNA methylation), "learned" behavior is passed along as > phenotypic expression and is not related to DNA sequence. > > The reason I bring this up is that evolutionary control is occurring at every > moment. That is through the force of natural selection (some call this God, > but not me). > > In terms of the concept of 2012, I enjoy all the different interpretations of > this > prophesy. Is it perhaps the internet that will enable this fusion and > ultimate > expression of the group consciousness? Is the change to be sudden or slow? > > McKenna's adventures, with his brother, in lateral symbol manipulation and > resulting > conclusions is one possible interpretation. McKenna was able to think > somewhat > laterally since he disinhibited serotonin produced logical thinking through > specific > chemical analogue introduction. He was, however,privy to wide conceptual > tools, > that had evolved through wide group interaction, and was able to group these > in > different ways through chemically induced thought hallucinations. > However, this does not make his interpretation any more valid than say > Kafka's or Buddhas > The Hindu concept of large time cycles. > > The strength of the 2012 concept lies in the math. If indeed > math is behind our thought progression, in a Kaballah way, there is reason > to think that it is predictable. Intuitively we may already know what the > result is, > and can express it in sociologic terms. > > Cheers, > Willblake2 > > > > On Apr 15, 2009, at 6:27:16 PM, gav <[email protected]> wrote: > > hiya monkeys, > > time and space, being static patterns, are abstracted from the eternal > omnipresent. all past and future is here now; each point contains the entire > universe (i am assuming that people get this, otherwise i will have to write > a lot more). > > teilhard de chardin understood this and it helped him shape his orthogenetic > theory of evolution. put simply, it is the idea (also favored and eloquently > related by terence mckenna) that an attractor 'pulls' evolution towards it - > towards an 'omega point' in de chardin's terminology. > > as i have said this is entirely logical if you understand the relative nature > of time and space. > > > > the best way we can interrogate evolution is existentially - as this provides > us with the most empirical data. 1)do we evolve? 2)how does it happen? > > 1) yes. i am sure that i have changed over the years - i have gained > knowledge, experience, a little wisdom i hope. in short i feel more complete > and sufficient in myself than say 10 years ago. > > 2) through suffering. suffering is the negative face of quality. it forces us > to comprehend the why of suffering and through that understanding integrates > it within a larger conception of the self. > > evolution is the topic du jour. we are accelerating through an evolutionary > bottleneck which is predicted to culminate in dec 2012. the current climatic, > economic and personal instability are symptomatic of this period of rapid > change.... and things will change more rapidly as we reach the end of this > age - mckennas timewave zero study of the i ching is very interesting in this > regard. > > i see the end of the mayan 5th age (the end of time) as being an awakening of > jung's collective unconscious - which is the same thing as de chardin's > noosphere, or the gaian mind. jung always said that synchronicity was natural > time - which again complements the idea of an end to (psychological) time. > > remember what the word evolution actually means (how often is the answer we > seek right in front of us i wonder?) - UNFOLDING. it is an expansion - an > expansion into awareness of what already exists but is hidden. > > cheers > g > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > Enjoy a safer web experience. 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