> > > >[Marsha] > > > >By conventional truth I mean a pattern that is relational, > > > >ever-changing and conceptually constructed. What of a conventional > > > >truth is shared? Are you, six letters with some kind of relationship > > > >to crime, shared? > > > > > > > >[Krimel] > > > >Conventions may have those properties but a convention is shared. The > > > >term has no meaning in the context of the individual. Letters are > > > >shared conventions my explanation for the etymology of my name is likewise > > > > shared. In short EVERYTHING about a "conventional truth" is shared. > > > > That is what makes it conventional. > > > > > >Marsha > > >Can you name one static of pattern (meaning) that is shared > > >100%? Each particular will have its little deviation. > > > > > >[Krimel] > > >Of course not, neither in terms of 100% of people agreeing nor of two > > >people sharing 100% overlap in understanding. Fortunately neither of > > >these is required of a conventional understanding. The issue is really about > > >how much overlap (short of 100%) do we actually need to communicate and share > > >understanding. The science of information theory is all about this. > > >Communication and convention are the ability the exchange meaning and > > >messages. Or to be more precise reduction in uncertainty. Evolutionary > > >success for example, depends in reducing uncertainty and ANY reduction > > >confers selective advantage. This is as true of memes are of genes. This > > > >is how we evaluate concepts and conventions. We determine how meaningful > > >they are by how well they reduce uncertainty. It is reduction not absolute > > >reduction that is critical. > > > >Marsha > >The existence of zebras is a conventional truth. Are using the > >phrase 'conventional truth' differently? > > > >[Krimel] > >I think so unless this a trick question. I have experienced zebras and my > >individual concepts of zebrahood are different from yours but our shared > >convention with regards to zebras is a 'conventional truth' even though > >there is uncertainty as to the exact amount of overlaps in our individual > >experience. > >Marsha: >No trick question. The visual pattern of a zebra may be similar >between the two of us, but "Is that all there is, is that all there >is. If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep >dancing..." Do you get what I'm suggesting? > >[Krimel] >Not really, but I am a glass half full kind of guy, I guess. What more would >you like for there to be?
Marsha: More than a half empty kind of attitude, but maybe that is not you. [Krimel] And see there, all this time I thought I was trying to help you out with that. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
