vonderwueste said to dmb: "Don't dream it ... BE it" - Rocky Horror The things that you mentioned represent low quality static holding patterns. Your implicit hypothesis states: There must be a better way. How do you suppose we might test the validity of this hypothesis?
"He received no official clearance ... he just thought it up and did it ... the balls!" - Willard dmb says: Sorry, but you lost me. I can see that you don't approve but that's about all I can see. While it's not crazy to think there must be a better way, I don't see how this is my "implied" hypothesis. That thought never crossed my mind. And yes, Kurtz got off the boat and split from the whole fucking program. Yes, Kurtz was brilliant and he had balls. But it's also true that Kurtz was psychotic. He was a monster. Willard is a successful hero because he resisted the temptation to replace Kurtz. Did you somehow get the impression that my advice was to just dream and watch movies instead of live your life? That is definitely NOT what I'm saying. As you may have noticed in the Campbell quotes I posted in my reply to Marsha, the journey is not something that can be accomplished vicariously. As he and so many others have pointed out, it's something we all have to do alone. This mythology stuff is a living, breathing thing. Artists like Coppola are constantly finding new ways to evoke and inspire people with these symbols. And as for the "low quality static holding patterns". The actual and explicit hypothesis is quite the opposite... "The agony of breaking through personal limitations is the agony of spiritual growth. Art, literature, myth and cult, philosophy, and ascetic disciplines are instruments to help the individual past his limiting horizons into spheres of ever-expanding realizations." Campbell 190 "The mythological hero is the champion not of things become but of things becoming; the dragon to be slain by hims is precisely the monster of the status quo: Holdfast, the keeper of the past. ..With a gesture as simple as the pressing of a button, he annihilates the impressive configurations. The hero-deed is a continuous shattering of the crystallizations of the moment. The cycle rolls: mythology focuses on the growing point. Transformation, fluidity, not stubborn ponderosity, is the characteristic of the living God. ..Briefly, the ogre-tyrant is the champion of the prodigious fact, the hero the champion of creative life." Campbell 337 I think this is what Pirsig is talking about when he says that one of the biggest gumption suckers is value rigidity. Holding fast to static patterns is what gets us stuck. And this stuckness is the prelude to a dynamic expansion of values. Different terms, same idea. For whatever it's worth, dmb _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
